On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 at 06:10, Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I pulled together an unofficial summary from Ovid's and > demerphq's posts. Mail extracts follow the bullet points > below. > > * Developing and deploying programs is different than for libraries > > Some notes this: * while docker / lxc / .. may have they own issues it should be supported this tool should provide same behaviour for every developer and CI * application usually doesn't come as "just perl". It usually requires another services, tools, deploying multiple services from code under development eg: - database change management (sqitch) - log processor (elasticsearch & co) + descriptive dashboard configuration (preferably in perl using per-log-event class) - application service + application cron this tool should support environment neutral service description * application may even use multiple languages (eg: perl backend + Java/Swift application) this tool should be able also to integrate them. * as appilcation developer - every application I participated on used different workflow, both per application and per organisation This implies capability to include non-standard plugin. * it should properly support git worktree (or any other VC system supporting multiple checkout) - to be able to distinguish what can be shared and what cannot - eg: usecase (current, not with this tool, I have no idea how to do it yet) when using docker-compose, exposed ports should be in dedicated configuration so you can optionally exclude them, or use your own per-worktree configuration * This tool should support matrix testing, including configuration store in status It means that single test file is executed multiple times in session. App::Prove - it can be altered to run it, but state doesn't use it App::Prove should also support "resource management" (shared or per test), eg: - prepare database fixture per test - prepare application workspace per test (eg: test of Jira will require project setup) As far as Ovid raised this topic: - I'm gathering ideas and clearing requirements for such tool - working name dew, guess the pun :-) so far in sh and using docker-compose - regarding env management, some early work which can be shared: https://gist.github.com/happy-barney/5c8d48c188a0ebfab8312a35a785160b If anyone is interesting (right now idea-wise, later maybe code-wise) in, let's start with place to gather use cases (observed or nice to have) somewhere (new git repo like RFCs?) BranoThread Previous | Thread Next